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Rated 5 out of 5
April 5, 2021 2:30 pm

The Downward and the Upward of the Vertical: The Cleaning of All matter, Illusory and Real

“The personal mind being gone and yet you all there, full of personal intimacy, is the evidence, the fruit, of you and your self having been reconstituted: all of it coming apart and then coming back together differently.”


  • Upward and downward vertical movement and its effect on the horizontal
  • The re-staging of your context, and death of all that matters to you
  • The dissolve of all sense of self in the heart and being; all-encompassingly real
  • All matter is cleaned from you; you are no longer its context
  • Money and your skill-set are no longer yours but a flow of the more
  • Real togetherness: full of personal intimacy, devoid of personal mind
  • Nothing is to do with you anymore; not even you are about you

Absolutely Taken Up By What’s More

Rated 5 out of 5
April 14, 2021

There’s absolutely nothing in this for you ! What remains in you is the real and the more ! Nothing else has anything to do with you anymore ! All those words suggest that big changes could actually happen from my inside out ! And that there is a chance to totally forget about claiming anything as my own. I can’t think of anything more thrilling…The total passing away of my illusions that I ever owned anything at all to begin with. And that, in totally surrendering I could be absorbed into something far greater than I ever conceived before that knows what it’s about ! Definitely worth everything. Thank you John.

The Vivid Reality Of Us

Rated 5 out of 5
April 11, 2021

After watching this meeting multiple times my comprehension of it’s content is increasing. With the vertical and horizontal parts I was drawing a blank ! But the descriptions were totally perfect and exactly what was needed ! The conversation between these two was a gift and honor to behold ! Grace and Beauty between Two men considering the things of Being ! May it’s clean and clear message take me entirely. I’ll watch it again and again. Thank you John

VOD Duration: 120 Minutes
Ernst V. M.